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on
29
May
2020
December
23
,
2016
Call
Participants
Michael
Flynn
Russian
Ambassador
Sergey
Ivanovich
Kislyak
Russian
Diplomat
Aleksandr
Dmitriyevich
Pchelyakov
Flynn
:
Yes
.
This
is
General
Flynn
.
Pchelyakov
:
General
Flynn
.
Good
good
afternoon
.
This
is
Aleksandr
calling
from
the
Russian
Embassy
Ambassador's
office
.
If
there's
...
Flynn
:
Yes
.
Pchelyakov
:
If
it's
problem
,
could
I.
put
the
Ambassador
through
for
you
?
Flynn
:
No.
Please
put
him
on
.
Please
...
Pchelyakov
:
Just
a
sec
. . .
noise
Flynn
:
Hello
.
This
is
General
Flynn
.
Kislyak
.
Yeah
General
. ,
thank
you
for
picking
up
,
uh
,
my
call
.
Flynn
:
Um
hm
Um
hm
.
Kislyak
:
Uh
, I
just
wanted
as
a
follow
up
to
share
with
you
several
points
.
One
,
that
,
uh
your
previous
,
uh
,
uh
,
telephone
call
,
reported
to
Moscow
and
it
was
considered
at
the
highest
level
in
Russia
.
Secondly
,
uh
,
uh
,
here
we
are
pointing
[
PH
], ,
taking
into
account
,
uh
,
entirely
your
,
uh
,
arguments
.
Flynn
:
Yes
To
raise
a
proposal
or
an
idea
of
continued
consultations
in
New
York
.
We
will
do
it
.
Flynn
:
Okay
.
Kislyak
:
Uh
,
to
give
time
for
working
out
something
,
uh
,
that
would
be
,
would
be
,
uh
,
less
controversial
.
Flynn
:
Okay
.
That
good
news
.
3
Kislyak
:
Uh
,
certainly
if
,
uh
,
the
others
will
put
it
through
to
a
vote
,
and
I
understand
my
,
uh
,
colleagues
tell
me
that
Egyptians
are
not
pressing
for
a
vote
.
Flynn
:
They're
not
.
Kislyak
:
But
there
might
be
others
.
Flynn
:
Yeah
,
there
...
there
, I
can
tell
you
that
there's
,
uh
,
you
know
,
a
litany
of
countries
that
are
that
we're
talking
.
.
I'm
talking
directly
to
.
And
that
Kislyak
: I
see
Flynn
:
Basically
,
just
as
asked
you
.
Kislyak
.
Yeah
Flynn
:
And
I
think
there
are
a
few
other
countries
that
are
going
to
abstain
.
Um
,
Egypt
.
Egypt
is
,
,
in
a
place
,
you
know
,
again
.
know
,
the
strategic
goal
is
stability
in
the
Middle
East
.
That's
the
strategic
goal
,
and
...
you
know
,
between
you
and
,
and
you
know
this
,
and
we
know
this
,
and
you
know
and
between
Moscow
and
Washington
,
we
will
not
achieve
stability
in
the
Middle
East
without
working
with
each
other
against
this
radical
Islamist
crowd
.
Period
Kislyak
:
Yeah
.
Flynn
:
Okay
. ,
I'm
adamant
about
that
,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
,
and
in
conversations
that
we
have
in
the
future
,
if
there's
a
common
en
common
threat
that
we
face
...
Kislyak
: I
agree
with
you
.
Flynn
:
And
I'm
sickened
by
the
by
the
murder
of
your
Ambassador
to
Turkey
the
other
day
...
Kislyak
:
Oh
,
thank
you
for
those
sentiments
.
Flynn
:
just
.
sickened
by
it
.
So
...
Russia
Kislyak
:
Interrupts
General
,
can
you
allow
me
to
complete
my
points
,
my
of
these
points
.
Flynn
:
Please
.
4
Kislyak
:
So
,
we
will
try
to
help
,
uh
,
uh
,
to
give
additional
time
for
the
conversation
on
...
on
this
issue
,
but
if
it
is
put
on
vote
,
uh
,
for
historical
reasons
,
as
I
explained
to
you
,
Flynn
:
huh
Kislyak
:
...
We
cannot
vote
,
uh
,
other
than
to
support
it
.
Flynn
:
Okay
Kislyak
:
That
is
something
,
uh
,
that
is
uh
,
part
of
the
position
that
we
have
developed
,
with
the
,
um
,
countries
in
the
region
for
a
long
period
of
time
.
But
,
uh
,
responding
to
your
,
uh
,
telephone
call
and
our
conversations
,
we
will
try
to
help
,
uh
,
to
, ,
postpone
the
vote
and
to
allow
for
consultations
.
Flynn
:
Okay
.
That's
.
good
.
Kislyak
:
We
over
took
on
board
your
[
ui
]
that
you
want
also
to
have
some
time
...
Flynn
:
Okay
.
Okay
.
Kislyak
:
...
talk
about
.
So
...
Flynn
:
Okay
!
Kislyak
:
That
is
something
that
we
will
try
to
do
.
Flynn
:
Okay
.
That's
great
.
That's
great
,
Ambassador
.
That's
we
can
ask
for
at
this
point
in
time
.
Kislyak
:
Okay
?
Thank
you
.
Flynn
:
Alright
.
Hey
,
thank
you
so
much
.
Kislyak
:
And
happy
Christmas
and
New
Years
.
Flynn
:
Yeah
Same
to
you
.
Same
to
you
.
And
please
call
me
anytime
,
okay
?
Kislyak
Ah
,
the
same
here
.
Flynn
:
Please
,
please
enjoy
your
family
.
It's
so
important
right
now
.
Kislyak
:
Thank
you
.
iu
]
5
Flynn
:
Okay
.
Thank
you
.
Kislyak
:
Thank
you
(
iu
Flynn
:
Bye
bye
.
[
call
ends
6
December
29
,
2016
Call
Participants
Michael
Flynn
Russian
Ambassador
Sergey
Ivanovich
Kislyak
UNKNOWN
MALE
:
Russian
Embassy
,
Ambassador's
office
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
this
is
General
Flynn
.
may
be
using
a
speaker
-
phone
]
UNKNOWN
MALE
:
Yes
, I
will
put
Ambassador
on
the
line
,
sir
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
thank
you
.
UNKNOWN
MALE
:
Thanks
.
(
Call
transferred
to
Ambassador
Kislyak
Timestamp
00:30
]
:
Hello
?
FLYNN
:
Hi
Ambassador
this
is
General
Flynn
KISLYAK
:
Oh
,
General
,
thank
you
very
much
for
calling
me
back
. I
was
trying
to
reach
you
for
quite
a
while
because
have
several
,
uh
,
issues
to
raise
with
you
FLYNN
:
Uh
huh
.
KISLYAK
: -
rather
to
inform
you
.
If
you'll
allow
me
,
one
by
one
.
FLYNN
Please
KISLYAK
:
One
,
uh
,
since
you
were
interested
in
the
issue
of
the
Middle
East
and
you
called
me
on
that
issue
FLYNN
:
Uh
huh
.
[
Timestamp
01:00
]
KISLYAK
:
We
wanted
to
convey
to
you
and
through
you
to
the
President
Elect
that
we
had
uh
significant
reservations
about
the
idea
of
adopting
now
the
principles
for
the
Middle
East
, ,
that
our
American
colleagues
are
pushing
for
.
So
we
are
not
going
to
support
it
to
in
the
quartet
,
or
in
the
Security
Council
.
And
we
have
conveyed
to
our
American
colleagues
.
So
in
the
spirit
of
full
transparency
I
was
asked
to
inform
you
as
well
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
KISLYAK
:
So
it's
not
something
that
we
Russia
are
going
to
support
.
7
FLYNN
:
Okay
that's
good
.
KISLYAK
:
Secondly
,
we
think
it
requires
some
additional
work
and
everybody
has
to
be
on
board
.
FLYNN
:
Of
course
,
Ambassador
,
of
course
.
You
know
it
does
.
You
know
it
does
.
Some
over
each
other
KISLYAK
:
And
especially
I
think
taking
into
account
,
now
that
US
policy
might
uh
,
be
changing
or
not
,
we
want
to
understand
what
is
going
to
be
your
policy
when
and
if
we
are
to
implement
things
that
we
are
working
on
.
FLYNN
:
Right
KISLYAK
the
second
point
,
it's
also
on
the
Middle
East
,
uh
,
our
specialist
on
the
Middle
East
say
that
they
are
very
much
interested
in
working
with
your
specialists
on
these
issues
and
if
you're
available
you
personally
,
but
your
specialists
are
available
even
before
the
--
FLYNN
:
Mmhm
.
KISLYAK
-
President
Elect
is
,
has
his
inauguration
on
twentieth
,
for
uh
,
we
are
perfectly
available
.
But
also
,
something
more
specific
,
we
,
uh
as
you
might
have
seen
,
are
trying
uh
,
to
help
uh
,
the
peace
process
in
Syria
.
And
today
we
announced
, ,
the
agreement
that
with
Turkey
and
others
,
we
are
able
to
uh
agree
on
and
to
help
the
Syrian
sides
to
start
working
on
political
process
.
So
we
are
thinking
about
an
event
in
Astana
,
the
capital
of
Kazakhstan
Timestamp
03:00
FLYNN
Mmhm
KISLYAK
: -
that
will
,
hope
,
help
the
political
process
to
be
started
.
And
it's
something
that
is
going
to
be
held
in
the
third
decade
of
January
.
The
dates
are
yet
to
be
,
uh
,
finalized
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
So
third
week
of
January
?
KISLYAK
week
.
We
call
it
decade
,
sir
,
its
third-
that
means
from
the
twenty
of
January
to
the
maybe
the
end
of
January
FLYNN
: I
gotcha
,
gotcha
.
KISLYAK
:
And
we
are
planning
to
invite
the
administration
of
the
United
States
to
uh
,
be
,
uh
,
part
of
it
in
one
way
or
another
,
because
we
believe
that
a
stable
settlement
of
the
whole
conflict
in
Syria
cannot
be
achieved
without
active
and
constructive
participation
of
the
United
States
.
FLYNN
;
Yeah
8
KISLYAK
:
And
so
I
just
want
to
alert
you
and
if
you
think
you
will
be
interested
to
participate
-
not
you
personally
,
the
administration
we
certainly
would
welcome
this
.
FLYNN
Yep
,
okay
.
KISLYAK
:
And
especially
taking
into
account
that
we
are
talking
about
the
third
uh
,
decade
of
January
FLYNN
:
huh
KISLYAK
: I
mean
heads
up
,
we
wanted
you
to
know
this
.
And
the
third
final
uh
,
point
,
General
,
is
uh
, I
am
entrust
to
convey
through
you
to
Secr-
uh
to
President
Elect
,
proposal
from
the
Kremlin
.
Maybe
to
organize
a
conversation
over
the
secure
video
line
that
starting
on
the
twentieth
would
be
available
to
Mr.
Trump
.
And
it's
there
,
certainly
,
between
the
White
House
and
the
Kremlin
.
And
our
proposal
is
to
have
the
conversation
on
the
twenty
-
first
between
our
Presidents
.
And
the
idea
of
Mr.
Putin
is
first
of
all
to
congratulate
uh
,
your
President
Elect
the
President
,
at
the
time
,
and
maybe
to
discuss
small
number
,
briefly
,
of
issues
that
are
on
our
agenda
.
So
his
proposal
is
on
the
twenty
-
first
of
January
FLYNN
Okay
.
Ummm
Timestamp
:
05:20
KISLYAK
:
Is
by
security
video
.
Secure
video
line
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
. ,
yeah
I
understand
.
Okay
,
um
,
okay
.
Listen
,
uh
,
a
couple
of
things
.
Number
one
,
what
I
would
ask
you
guys
to
do
and
make
sure
you
,
make
sure
that
you
convey
this
,
okay
?
--
do
not
,
do
not
uh
,
allow
this
administration
to
box
us
in
,
right
now
,
okay
?
Um
KISLYAK
:
We
have
conveyed
it
.
And
-
FLYNN
;
Yeah
.
KISLYAK
:
It's
,
uh
,
it's
uh
,
very
very
specifically
and
transparently
,
openly
.
FLYNN
,
you
know
,
depending
on
,
depending
on
what
uh
,
actions
they
take
over
this
current
issue
of
the
cyber
stuff
,
you
know
,
where
they're
looking
they're
gonna
,
they're
gonna
dismiss
some
number
of
Russians
out
of
the
country
,
understand
all
that
and
I
understand
that
,
that
,
you
know
,
the
information
that
they
have
and
all
that
,
but
what
I
would
ask
Russia
to
do
is
to
not
is
anything
because
I
know
you
have
to
have
some
sort
of
action
to
only
make
it
reciprocal
.
Make
it
reciprocal
.
Don't
-
don't
make
it
-
don't
go
any
further
than
you
have
to
.
Because
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
something
that
has
to
escalate
,
on
a
,
you
know
,
on
a
tit
for
tat
.
You
follow
me
,
Ambassador
?
KISLYAK
understand
what
you're
saying
,
but
you
know
,
you
appreciate
the
sentiments
that
are
raging
now
in
Moscow
.
9
FLYNN
I
know
, I
–
believe
me
,
do
appreciate
it
, I
very
much
appreciate
it
.
But
I
really
don't
want
us
to
get
into
a
situation
where
we're
going
,
you
know
,
where
we
do
this
and
then
you
do
something
bigger
,
and
then
you
know
,
everybody's
to
go
back
and
forth
and
everybody's
got
to
be
the
tough
guy
here
,
you
know
?
Timestamp
07:00
FLYNN
:
We
don't
need
to
,
we
don't
need
that
right
now
,
we
need
to
cool
heads
to
prevail
,
and
uh
,
and
we
need
to
be
very
steady
about
what
we're
going
to
do
because
we
have
absolutely
a
common
uh
,
threat
in
the
Middle
East
right
now
KISLYAK
We
agree
.
FLYNN
:
We
have
to
eliminate
this
common
threat
.
KISLYAK
:
We
agree
.
One
of
the
problems
among
the
measures
that
have
been
announced
today
is
that
now
FSB
and
GRU
are
sanctions
,
are
sanctioned
,
and
I
ask
myself
,
uh
,
does
it
mean
that
the
United
States
isn't
willing
to
work
on
terrorist
threats
?
FLYNN
,
yeah
.
KISLYAK
Because
that's
the
people
who
are
exactly
,
uh
,
fighting
the
terrorists
.
FLYNN
;
Yeah
,
yeah
,
yep
.
KISLYAK
:
So
that's
something
that
we
have
to
deal
with
.
But
I've
heard
what
you
say
,
and
I
certainly
will
try
FLYNN
:
Yeah
KISLYAK
-
to
get
the
people
in
Moscow
to
understand
it
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
.
Timestamp
08:00
FLYNN
:
And
please
make
sure
that
its
uh
the
idea
is
,
be
you
if
you
have
to
do
something
do
something
on
a
reciprocal
basis
,
meaning
you
know
,
on
a
sort
of
an
even
basis
.
Then
that
,
then
that
is
a
good
message
and
we'll
understand
that
message
.
And
,
and
then
,
we
know
that
not
going
to
escalate
this
thing
,
where
we
,
where
because
if
we
put
out
we
send
out
30
guys
and
you
send
out
60
,
you
know
,
or
you
shut
down
every
Embassy
, I
mean
we
have
to
get
this
to
a
let's
,
let's
keep
this
at
a
level
that
uh
is
,
is
even
-
keeled
,
okay
?
Is
even
-
keeled
.
And
then
what
we
can
do
is
,
when
we
come
in
,
we
can
then
have
a
better
conversation
about
where
,
where
gonna
go
,
uh
,
regarding
uh
,
regarding
our
relationship
.
And
also
,
basically
we
have
to
take
these
,
these
enemies
on
that
we
have
.
And
we
definitely
have
a
common
enemy
.
You
have
a
problem
with
it
,
we
have
a
problem
with
it
in
this
country
,
and
we
definitely
have
a
problem
with
it
in
the
Middle
East
.
10
09:00
FLYNN
:
And
we
have
to
,
we
have
to
do
something
about
it
.
So
,
um
KISLYAK
:
General
, I
completely
agree
with
you
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
,
yeah
.
So
anyway
.
Okay
?
KISLYAK
:
Thank
you
.
FLYNN
:
And
the
thing
about
the
twenty
-
first
,
to
see
we
can't
to
see
if
we
can't
do
something
along
those
lines
.
And
,
you
know
, I
can't
commit
to
it
but
KISLYAK
:
FLYNN
:
-But
I
certainly
will
relay
it
.
KISLYAK
you
.
Wonderful
.
FLYNN
:
Certainly
will
relay
it
.
And
then
uh
, I
appreciate
very
much
the
uh
,
reservations
about
the
administration's
position
on
the
Middle
East
.
That
that
does
not
do
anybody
any
good
right
now
,
with
I
mean
,
you
know
,
you
know
Ambassador
,
the
situation
with
Hamas
,
and
the
Palestinian
situation
, I
mean
,
we'll
come
up
with
a
solution
that's
good
for
everybody
.
We
will
.
KISLYAK
:
That
is
something
we
want
to
work
towards
.
FLYNN
:
We'll
come
up
with
one
.
KISLYAK
:
And
I
would
say
that
our
reservations
are
more
about
the
way
it
is
been
developing
,
instead
of
bringing
everybody
on
board
.
10:00
FLYNN
:
Yeah
.
KISLYAK
:
You
cannot
just
create
facts
on
the
ground
that
are
not
going
to
be
implemented
afterwards
.
We
need
to
FLYNN
KISLYAK
: -
bring
everybody
on
board
and
that
is
not
easy
.
On
some
smaller
points
,
yes
probably
we
would
disagree
,
but
unless
we
talk
it
through
,
it's
not
going
to
be
useful
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
,
yeah
.
And
remember
,
now
remember
,
Ambassador
,
you're
not
talking
to
a
diplomat
,
you're
talking
to
a
soldier
,
so
a
practical
guy
,
and
it's
about
solutions
.
It's
about
very
practical
solutions
that
we're
that
we
need
to
come
up
with
here
.
And
,
and
we
11
have
to
stop
talking
past
each
other
on
and
so
that
means
that
we
have
to
understand
exactly
what
it
is
that
we
want
to
try
to
achieve
,
okay
?
KISLYAK
:
Yeah
. I
agree
.
Fully
FLYNN
:
Okay
KISLYAK
:
Thank
you
so
much
,
and
by
the
way
-
FLYNN
:
How
was
your
holiday
?
Is
your
family
still
with
ya
?
KISLYAK
:
Yeah
,
they
came
and
they
are
going
to
stay
with
us
until
I
think
the
first
week
of
January
FLYNN
Good
KISLYAK
:
And
happy
new
year
,
thank
you
very
much
for
calling
me
back
,
and
I
am
looking
forward
to
an
opportunity
to
have
a
longer
conversation
,
maybe
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
,
yeah
we
will
,
we
will
.
KISLYAK
:
Whenever
it
is
convenient
to
you
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
I'll
–
set
some
time
up
.
Maybe
the
end
of
next
week
or
something
:
Yes
,
that's
a
wonderful
idea
.
FLYNN
:
Yeah
,
yeah
.
KISLYAK
:
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
Ambassador
KISLYAK
:
Thank
you
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
,
thank
you
,
bye
bye
.
KISLYAK
:
the
best
.
FLYNN
Bye
12
December
31
,
2016
Call
Participants
Michael
Flynn
Ambassador
Sergey
Ivanovich
Kislyak
FLYNN
:
Ambassador
KISLYAK
Hi
,
uh
, I
apologize
for
disturbing
you
today
FLYNN
:
That's
okay
,
how
can
I
help
you
?
KISLYAK
: ,
you
know
I
have
a
small
message
to
pass
to
you
from
Moscow
and
uh
,
probably
you
have
heard
about
the
decision
taken
by
Moscow
about
action
and
counter
-
action
FLYNN
:
yeah
,
yeah
well
I
appreciate
it
,
you
know
,
on
our
phone
call
the
other
day
,
you
know
, I,
appreciate
the
steps
that
uh
your
president
has
taken
. I
think
that
it
is
was
wise
.
KISL
YAK
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
that
our
conversation
was
also
taken
into
account
in
Moscow
and
...
FLYNN
:
Good
KISLYAK
:
Your
proposal
that
we
need
to
act
with
cold
heads
,
uh
,
is
exactly
what
is
uh
,
invested
in
the
decision
.
FLYNN
:
Good
KISLYAK
:
And
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
that
we
found
that
these
actions
have
targeted
not
only
against
Russia
,
but
also
against
the
president
elect
FLYNN
:
yeah
,
yeah
:
and
and
with
all
our
rights
to
responds
we
have
decided
not
to
act
now
because
,
its
because
people
are
dissatisfied
with
the
lost
of
elections
and
,
and
its
very
deplorable
.
So
,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
our
conversation
was
taken
with
weight
.
And
also
...
FLYNN
Good
KILYAK
:
We
are
hoping
within
two
weeks
we
will
be
able
to
start
working
in
more
constructive
way
.
13
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
That's
good
,
that's
good
Ambassador
.
Well
I
appreciate
that
feedback
.
That's
excellent
.
Listen
, I
am
, I
am
looking
to
put
,
uh
,
small
team
over
to
the
,
uh
,
conference
in
Kazakhstan
by
the
way
too
.
KISLYAK
that
is
wonderful
.
FLYNN
:
So
,
yeah
,
so
I'llI'll
figure
out
who
and
at
right
level
and
I
may
need
to
get
uh
,
if
there
is
possibility
to
get
,
uh
,
a
point
of
contact
, ,
if
it
is
you
that
is
fine
,
but
I
rather
it
be
,
you
know
,
we
go
with
the
right
level
.
KILYAK
:
think
initially
it
,
it
,
go
through
me
and
then
...
FLYNN
:
Okay
KISLYAK
:
after
the
,
uh
,
New
Year
.
The
problem
is
that
Moscow
,
the
New
Yeah
,
...
FLYNN
:
Yeah
I
know
it's
a
big
deal
KISLYAK
:
is
on
vacation
for
almost
ten
days
[
Some
talking
over
each
other
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
Okay
.
:
But
am
in
contact
with
everybody
of
importance
so
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
Alright
.
Listen
.
Listen
. I
want
to
make
sure
too
,
that
you
know
,
that
number
one
,
I
appreciate
this
feedback
, , I,
uh
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
,
that
,
we
both
,
you
know
,
because
we
are
starting
to
think
about
what
,
what
kinds
of
things
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
.
KISLYAK
:
Yes
FLYNN
:
And
,
and
need
you
,
you
know
,
obviously
,
you
going
to
be
doing
the
same
thing
KISLYAK
: [
reply
is
inaudible
]
FLYNN
:
and
,
you
know
,
we
are
not
going
to
agree
on
everything
,
you
know
that
,
but
,
but
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
things
in
common
.
A
lot
.
And
we
have
to
figure
out
how
,
how
to
achieve
those
things
,
you
know
and
,
and
be
smart
about
it
and
,
uh
,
uh
,
keep
the
temperature
down
globally
,
as
well
as
not
just
,
you
know
,
here
,
here
in
the
United
States
and
also
over
in
,
in
Russia
.
14
KISLYAK
:
yeah
FLYNN
:
But
globally
I
want
to
keep
the
temperature
down
and
we
can
do
this
if
we
are
smart
about
it
KISLYAK
:
You're
absolutely
right
FLYNN
: I
haven't
gotten
, I
haven't
gotten
a
,
uh
,
confirmation
on
the
,
on
the
,
uh
,
secure
VTC
yet
,
but
the
,
but
the
boss
is
aware
and
so
please
convey
that
KISLYAK
: I
will
FLYNN
:
And
we
can
set
that
up
fairly
quickly
and
well
have
a
, I
don't
want
to
go
through
, I
don't
want
to
go
through
a
big
,
uh
,
uh
,
gyration
of
,
you
know
,
what
is
on
the
agenda
. I
think
the
agenda
just
needs
to
be
a
couple
of
simple
things
uh
,
and
let
the
two
talk
about
,
let
the
two
communicate
if
,
if
we
end
up
having
it
on
the
,
if
not
KISLYAK
:
Absolutely
FLYNN
:
the
then
what
we
,
we
,
uh
,
may
end
up
,
you
know
,
sometime
very
close
after
just
because
other
,
other
scheduled
events
,
if
that
makes
sense
.
Okay
,
KISLYAK
:
Okay
.
Yeah
Absolutely
.
And
I
wish
you
,
uh
,
once
again
,
everything
,
uh
the
best
in
the
New
Year
FLYNN
:
Thank
you
KISLYAK
:
to
you
,
to
your
family
,
to
your
country
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
KISLYAK
:
And
I
am
looking
forward
to
,
uh
,
working
with
you
General
.
FLYNN
:
Yep
,
absolutely
.
KISLYAK
:
And
I
am
still
hoping
for
an
opportunity
to
sit
together
to
,
umm
,
bring
our
heads
together
on
exactly
what
you
just
said
FLYNN
:
yeah
KISLYAK
:
how
we
can
move
FLYNN
:
Yep
.
Yep
.
Absolutely
.
15
KISLYAK
:
And
I
hope
you
can
find
a,
uh
,
uh
,
window
for
us
to
have
a
lunch
,
breakfast
,
dinner
,
whatever
FLYNN
: [
laughs
I
will
,
believe
me
KISLYAK
Next
time
you
are
FLYNN
:
Believe
me
, I
always
, I
always
like
a
free
lunch
[
Talking
over
each
other
KISLYAK
]
FLYNN
:
Yeah
KISLYAK
:
inaudible
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
KISLYAK
:
Thank
you
so
much
.
FLYNN
:
Alright
.
Happy
New
Year
to
you
and
your
family
.
KISLYAK
Happy
New
Year
to
you
.
Thanks
.
FLYNN
Yep
.
Bye
.
Bye
.
16
IV
.
January
12
,
2017
Call
Participants
Michael
Flynn
Russian
Ambassador
Sergey
Ivanovich
Kislyak
FLYNN
:
Hello
.
UNKNOWN
MALE
:
sorry
General
.
First
,
first
,
fail
attempt
.
I'll
put
the
Ambassador
on
the
line
FLYNN
: I
have
, I
have
just
a
few
minutes
. I
am
getting
ready
to
get
into
an
airplane
here
.
UNKNOWN
MALE
:
Oh
,
okay
.
I'll
put
him
through
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
[
Phone
call
is
on
hold
for
approximately
20
seconds
KISLYAK
:
Hello
.
FLYNN
:
Hello
.
This
is
General
Flynn
KISLYAK
:
Oh
General
,
hi
,
uh
,
good
afternoon
,
this
is
Sergey
Kislyak
,
Russian
Ambassador
.
FLYNN
:
How
are
you
?
KISLYAK
:
I'm
fine
,
however
if
one
can
be
fine
in
this
environment
.
FLYNN
:
yeah
(
laughing
]
KISLYAK
:
uh
,
general
I
am
calling
as
a
follow
up
of
our
last
conversation
when
you
said
that
you
will
be
trying
to
assemble
a
team
to
send
to
Astana
FLYNN
:
Uh
huh
.
KISLYAK
:
for
the
meeting
.
FLYNN
That's
right
.
spoke
with
about
it
yesterday
to
uh
,
some
of
my
,
some
of
my
,
uh
people
.
KISLYAK
:
Yeah
.
Wonderful
.
And
uh
,
you
asked
me
some
additional
information
and
to
give
you
contact
point
.
17
FLYNN
:
Yes
:
So
I
have
everything
and
,
uh
,
wonder
what
I
can
give
it
right
now
to
you
because
its
now
that
long
.
FLYNN
:
Can
I,
can
I, , I
don't
have
the
, I
don't
, I
am
not
in
a
place
to
do
that
Ambassador
KILYAK
: I
see
FLYNN
:
Can
I
have
,
uh
,
my
point
of
contact
just
reach
out
to
the
Embassy
KILYAK
:
Absolutely
FLYNN
:
to
get
the
information
.
Let
me
do
that
.
KISLYAK
:
Yeah
.
Wonderful
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
:
We
will
pass
all
the
information
and
do
you
have
a
team
to
,
to
be
sent
to
Astana
already
?
FLYNN
:
We
are
,
we
are
assembling
one
.
will
get
,
uh
,
probably
,
you
know
,
more
information
cause
some
of
these
people
,
you
know
,
of
course
were
,
uh
,
were
presidential
appointees
so
we
are
still
deal
with
our
own
bureaucracy
KILYAK
: I
understand
FLYNN
:
to
,
but
yeah
,
we
have
,
uh
,
probably
,
you
know
,
if
I
think
,
if
we
send
the
group
am
thinking
about
,
its
probably
four
or
five
people
.
KILYAK
:
Okay
FLYNN
:
Maybe
six
.
KISLYAK
:
inaudible
]
FLYNN
:
umm
,
and
,
uh
,
they
will
go
there
,
you
know
so
yes
.
Uh
,
that's
my
,
that's
my
goal
,
umm
,
and
I
should
know
more
tomorrow
. I, I
discussed
it
uh
,
over
this
past
week
and
then
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
team
leader
yesterday
.
KISLYAK
:
mmm
hum
.
18
FLYNN
:
yeah
we're
still
,
we're
still
[
Talking
over
each
other
KISLYAK
:
Do
you
know
the
name
of
the
team
maybe
,
of
the
team
that
will
be
there
because
I
can
have
my
Middle
East
man
contact
him
.
FLYNN
:
KISLYAK
FLYNN
;
His
last
name
.
Yeah
.
KISLYAK
Thank
you
.
FLYNN
:
And
have
,
uh
,
what
do
is
,
have
him
, I
have
the
number
for
the
Embassy
KISLYAK
:
Yes
FLYNN
:
Or
you
can
,
you
know
,
you
can
text
me
actually
or
what
you
could
do
,
if
you
could
text
me
,
the
uh
,
maybe
a
name
and
a
number
and
that
will
be
perfect
and
I'll
give
that
to
him
.
KISLYAK
:
Perfect
FLYNN
And
,
uh
,
and
then
,
then
lets
go
from
there
.
Okay
.
KISLYAK
:
Absolutley
.
Thank
you
very
much
.
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
Okay
.
Okay
.
KISLYAK
And
,
umm
,
also
, I
wanted
to
ask
you
whether
you
are
planning
to
be
anytime
uh
,
in
the
future
in
Washington
because
I
am
still
,
uh
FLYNN
: I
know
.
KISLYAK
:
looking
forward
for
a
,
uh
,
an
opportunity
to
discuss
things
FLYNN
laughing
)
yeah
, ,
I'm
actually
coming
back
tonight
,
umm
KISLYAK
:
Really
?
19
FLYNN
:
Let
me
,
let
me
,
uh
,
let
me
look
at
a
schedule
as
we
go
because
what
I
think
we
will
do
is
figure
out
just
the
time
to
have
lunch
or
dinner
somewhere
KISLYAK
That
would
be
wonderful
.
[
Talking
over
each
other
]
FLYNN
:
Okay
.
Alright
Ambassador
.
KISLYAK
: I
am
going
to
Thank
you
General
.
FLYNN
:
Thank
you
.
Thank
you
.
Alright
.
Yep
.
Bye
.
Bye
.
KISLYAK
:
Bye
.
20
January
19
,
2017
Voicemail
Recording
Participants
Michael
Flynn
Russian
Ambassador
Sergey
Ivanovich
Kislyak
FLYNN
(
Automated
Recording
):
Hello
,
you've
reached
General
Mike
Flynn
.
My
number
is
Leave
a
message
at
the
beep
and
get
back
to
you
as
soon
as
I
can
.
Thank
you
.
Female
Voice
(
Automated
Recording
)
At
the
tone
,
please
record
your
message
.
When
you've
finished
recording
,
you
may
hang
up
or
press
' l'
for
more
options
.
KISLYAK
:
Good
morning
,
General
.
This
[
sic
]
Sergey
Kislyak
,
Russian
ambassador
. I , ,
apologize
that
I
disturb
you
but
I
wanted
to
check
whether
you
have
,
um
,
uh
,
answer
to
the
idea
of
our
two
presidents
uh
,
re
uh
,
after
the
inauguration
.
You
remember
our
conversation
and
we
certainly
would
appreciate
any
indication
as
to
when
it
is
going
to
be
possible
.
Uh
, I
would
appreciate
your
calling
back
and
telling
me
where
we
are
.
Thank
you
so
much
.
All
the
best
.
21
DECLASSIFIED
by
DNI
Ratcliffe
on
29
May
2020
START
DATE
:
01/05/2016
=
FLYNN
,
Mike
;
KISLYAK
,
Sergey
PARTICIPANTS
:
From
:
RE
:
Lt.
General
Mike
FLYNN
phones
Ambassador
Sergey
KISLYAK
to
express
his
condolences
on
the
death
of
GRU
Director
Igor
SERGUN
,
who
died
unexpectedly
today
from
unknown
causes
.
START
DATE
:
12/22/2016
START
DATE
:
12/23/2016
PARTICIPANTS
:
To
:
General
Flynn
RE
:
A
follow
-
up
call
between
General
Flynn
and
Kislyak
Ivanovich
]
Pchelyakov
calls
General
Flynn
and
asks
if
he
can
connect
him
with
Ambassador
Kislyak
.
Flynn
replies
, “
Yeah
,
please
put
him
on
.”
“
This
is
General
Flynn
”
Kislyak
, “
Yeah
,
General
...
Thank
you
for
picking
up
my
call
. I
just
wanted
...
as
a
follow
up
.
To
share
with
you
several
points
.
One
.
That
your
previous
telephone
call
,
reported
to
Moscow
and
it
was
considered
at
the
highest
level
,
in
Russia
.
Secondly
,
here
we
are
planning
taking
in
account
and
rally
[
PH
]
your
arguments
to
raise
ahem
,
a
proposal
of
idea
of
continued
consultations
in
NY
.
We
will
do
it
today
.
To
give
time
for
working
out
something
ahem
,
that
would
be
,
maybe
less
controversial
.”
Flynn
,
OK
,
that
.
That's
good
news
.”
Kislyak
interrupts
to
continue
with
his
points
.
Kislyak
,
“
Secondly
[
PH
],
if
ah
,
the
orders
will
put
it
in
to
the
vote
and
I
understand
my
colleagues
tell
me
that
Egyptians
are
not
pressing
for
the
vote
.
But
may
be
others
. ”
Flynn
continues
, “
...
you
know
that
the
strategic
goal
is
stability
in
the
Middle
East
.
That's
the
strategic
goal
.
And
,
and
,
you
know
,
between
you
and
I,
and
you
know
this
,
and
we
know
this
,
you
know
between
Moscow
and
Washington
.
We
will
not
achieve
stability
in
the
Middle
East
without
working
with
each
other
against
this
radical
Islamist
crowd
.
Period
. I
am
very
adamant
about
that
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
and
in
the
conversations
that
we'll
have
in
the
future
...
if
there
is
a
common
e
...
common
threat
that
we
face
”
Kislyak
, “ I
agree
with
you
.”
Flynn
, “
and
I
am
, I
am
still
sickened
,
sickened
by
the
...
by
the
murder
of
your
ambassador
to
Turkey
...
And
if
...
if
Russia
”
Kislyak
interrupts
Flynn
, “
General
!
If
you
allow
me
to
cont
...
ah
,
to
complete
my
presentation
of
these
points
...
So
,
we
will
try
to
help
ah
...
to
give
additional
time
for
the
conversation
on
this
issue
.
But
if
it
is
put
on
vote
,
for
historical
reasons
,
as
I
explained
to
you
...
we
cannot
ah
...
than
to
support
it
.”
Flynn
, “
Ok
. ”
Kislyak
,
“
That
is
something
,
ah
...
that
is
ah
,
part
of
the
position
that
we
have
developed
within
ahem
,
countries
in
the
region
for
long
period
of
time
...
But
,
responding
to
your
telephone
call
,
and
our
conversations
we
will
try
to
help
to
postpone
the
vote
and
to
allow
for
consultations
.”
Flynn
,
OK
,
ok
,
that's
good
.
That's
great
ambassador
.
That's
all
we
can
ask
for
it
at
this
point
and
time
.”
Both
wish
each
other
with
happy
Christmas
and
says
that
both
can
call
each
other
anytime
.
UN
against
Israeli
settlements
.
[
TN
:
Possibly
talking
about
the
De
25
,
2016
vote
Russia
represented
in
UN
by
Churkin
voted
for
it
. ]
START
DATE
:
12/29/2016
From
: [
Chernyshev
]
Dmitriy
[
Andreyevich
]
PARTICIPANTS
:
To
:
General
Flynn
RE
:
A
message
from
Kislyak
to
Flynn
,
need
to
talk
.
Before
General
Flynn's
voce
message
turns
on
,
there
is
an
open
line
,
barely
audible
chat
.
Someone
asks
Chernyshev
, “
Which
agency
are
we
talking
about
?”
Chernyshev
asks
as
to
confirm
if
he
understands
the
question
and
responds
in
the
same
time
:
Which
Agency
hackers
did
the
hacking
?
Believe
me
,
Americans
did
hacked
this
all
.”
After
General
Flynn's
prerecorded
message
ends
Chernyshev
leaves
his
message
,
Hello
,
General
Flynn
,
my
name
is
Dmitry
, I
am
chief
of
the
Russian
Ambassador's
staff
.
The
Russian
Ambassador
Sergey
Kislyak
would
like
to
have
a
word
with
you
at
your
convenience
.
Can
you
kindly
call
us
back
?
Our
office
number
is
or
ambassadors
cell
phone
number
...
it
is
Thank
you
.
Good
bye
.”
START
DATE
:
12/29/2016
From
:
General
Michael
Flynn
PARTICIPANTS
:
To
:
Kislyak
,
Sergey
Ivanovich
,
Russian
Ambassador
to
the
U.S.
RE
:
Kislyak
thanks
Flynn
for
the
call
;
he
has
been
waiting
for
it
.
First
,
Kislyak
wants
to
discuss
the
Middle
East
policy
.
The
Russians
want
to
convey
to
the
President
-
elect
that
the
Russians
will
not
be
supporting
the
American
colleagues
at
the
Security
Council
.
Flynn
says
it
is
good
.
Second
the
Russians
are
very
interesting
with
working
with
the
President
-
elect's
team
to
help
peace
process
in
Syria
.
The
Russians
are
thinking
about
an
event
in
Astana
,
Kazakhstan
in
January
20-30
to
help
the
political
process
to
get
started
.
The
Russians
are
planning
to
invite
the
Trump
Administration
to
this
event
.
Thirdly
,
the
Kremlin
would
like
to
convey
to
the
President
-
elect
to
organize
a
conversation
via
secure
video
line
between
the
White
House
and
the
Kremlin
that
should
be
available
starting
January
20th
and
to
have
a
first
conversation
on
January
21rst
between
the
presidents
.
Putin's
idea
is
to
congratulate
Trump
and
discuss
issues
.
Flynn
says
he
understands
.
Kislyak
repeats
that
he
is
talking
about
secure
video
line
.
Flynn
wants
to
convey
the
following
[
to
Moscow
]:
Do
not
allow
this
administration
to
box
us
in
right
now
!
Kislyak
says
the
have
conveyed
it
very
clearly
.
Flynn
:
So
,
depending
on
what
actions
they
take
over
this
current
issue
of
cyber
stuff
,
where
they
are
looking
like
they
are
going
to
dismiss
some
number
of
Russians
out
of
the
country
. I
understand
all
that
and
I
understand
that
the
information
that
they
have
and
all
that
.
But
I
ask
Russia
to
do
is
to
not
,
if
anything
, I
know
you
have
to
have
some
sort
of
action
,
to
only
make
it
reciprocal
;
don't
go
any
further
than
you
have
to
because
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
something
that
have
to
escalate
to
tit
-
for
-
tat
.
Do
you
follow
me
?
Kislyak
says
he
understands
what
Flynn
is
saying
,
but
Flynn
might
appreciate
the
sentiments
that
are
raging
now
in
Moscow
.
Flynn
: I
know
!
Believe
me
I
do
! I
very
much
appreciate
it
!
But
I
really
do
not
want
us
to
get
into
the
situation
where
we
everybody
goes
back
and
forth
and
everybody
had
to
be
a
tough
guy
here
.
We
don't
need
that
right
now
.
We
need
cool
heads
to
prevail
.
And
we
need
to
be
very
steady
about
what
we
are
going
to
do
because
we
have
absolutely
a
common
threat
in
the
Middle
East
.
Kislyak
agrees
.
Now
when
FSB
and
GRU
are
sanctioned
and
Kislyak
asks
himself
,
does
it
mean
that
the
U.S.
is
not
willing
to
work
on
terrorist
threats
,
Kislyak
poses
a
question
.
Flynn
says
,
yes
.
Kislyak
says
he
heard
Flynn
and
he
will
try
people
Moscow
to
understand
.
Flynn
repeats
asking
to
reciprocate
moderately
because
if
Moscow
sends
out
60
people
, “
you
will
shut
down
the
embassy
.
Flynn
:
Let's
keep
this
at
even
-
kill
level
;
then
when
we
come
in
,
we
will
have
a
better
conversation
where
we
are
going
to
go
regarding
our
relationship
.
And
also
,
basically
,
we
have
to
take
these
enemies
on
that
we
have
.
We
definitely
have
a
common
enemy
.
You
have
a
problem
with
it
.
We
have
a
problem
with
it
in
this
country
and
we
definitely
have
a
problem
with
it
in
the
Middle
East
.
Flynn
promises
to
rely
about
the
21st
He
cannot
commit
to
it
,
but
he
will
relay
it
.
Kislyak
says
,
wonderful
.
Flynn
appreciates
the
reservation
of
the
current
administration's
position
on
the
Middle
East
.
That
doesn't
do
anybody
any
good
.
Flynn
says
they
will
come
up
with
the
solution
that
is
good
for
everyone
else
.
Flynn
:
Remember
Ambassador
,
you
are
not
talking
to
a
diplomat
;
you
are
talking
to
a
soldier
. I
am
a
very
practical
guy
.
It
is
all
about
solutions
.
Kislyak
is
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
have
a
longer
conversation
.
Flynn
says
,
maybe
the
end
of
next
week
